Episode 44 – Recharging our batteries with Molly Harris’ new book Whirby

We talk to author Molly Harris about her new picture book Whirby, illustrated by Jacob Souva. Whirby is a robot and his favourite activity at school is bot battles, but in his excitement about getting ready he forgets to get any rest and recharge his batteries and when it comes to his turn in the competition he has no energy left. Can he recover and do what he really enjoys?

A great book for bedtimes with lots to look at in the pictures.

You can find out more about Molly Harris here and read Jacob’s substack here.

Molly’s other books are:

The Big Squeeze, illustrated by Alison Hawkins

I Need Space, illustrated by Jon Corby (out Dec 2026)

And the book Molly recommended was

Benita and the Night Creatures, by Mariana Llanos, illustrated by Cocoretto

At the end we talk about two new picture books

I’m Going to Make a Friend by Darren Chetty, illustrated by Sandhya Prabhat

Naughty by Jeanne Willis, illustrated by Paddy Donnelly

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Katy
0:11

Hi,

I'm

Katy

Ali
0:12

And

I'm

Ali

and

welcome

to

Mosty

Book

Talk.

Katy
0:15

In

this

episode,

we

are

talking

picture

books.

We

have

an

interview

with

the

author

Molly

Harris

about

her

new

book,

Whirby,

and

we

also

chat

about

a

few

new

books

that

have

caught

our

eye.

Ali
0:28

We're

very

pleased

to

have

with

us

the

author

Molly

Harris,

who

published

her

second

picture

book

at

the

end

of

March.

Her

first

book,

The

Big

Squeeze,

came

out

in

2024,

and

her

latest

one

is

called

Whirby,

and

it's

illustrated

by

Jacob

Souva.

So

welcome,

Molly.

You're

originally

a

technical

writer,

which

I

think

means

you

write

manuals

and

explain

us

for

software.

And

you

grew

up

in

Massachusetts

but

now

live

in

Ireland.

So

give

us

a

quick

overview

of

how

you

became

a

picture

book

author.

Molly
0:55

Yeah,

absolutely.

So

that

is

true.

I

am

a

technical

writer

for

my

day

job,

which

that's

precisely

what

it

is,

writing

somewhat

dry

documentation

explaining

software.

And

while

that

is

a

great

day

job,

it's

when

you're

creative

inside,

like

me,

you're

looking

for

another

outlet.

And

so

I

had

studied

English

in

college.

I

was

always

like

a

young

writer,

writing

stories

when

I

was

growing

up.

And

then

as

I

was

reaching

my

late

20s,

I

felt

very

detached

from

that

side

of

me.

And

I

was

just

like

a

worker

bee.

And

I

wanted

to

get

back

in

touch

with

that.

What

do

I

want

to

write?

I'd

kind

of

always

written

like

secretly,

but

never

showing

it

to

anybody.

And

so

I

thought,

okay,

I

have

to

be

brave

and

put

something

out

there.

What

do

I

want

to

write

about?

Everything

that

I,

if

I

was

to

think

of

like

really

favorite

books,

it

was

always

when

I

was

younger.

And

I

think

I

was

always

very

drawn

to

children's

literature

and

like

very

fond

of

thinking

about

the

books

that

I

loved

growing

up.

And

so

I

think

that's

where

I

was

drawn.

But

I

thought

I

would

go

more

into

middle

grade

or

YA.

And

so

I

had

started

to

write

that.

And

then

as

I

was

working

on

some

manuscripts

there,

I

had

a

baby,

my

first

baby.

And

that's

then,

oh,

I'm

picking

up

some

of

my

old

favorite

books

for

his

library,

like

Where

the

Wild

Things

Are

and

Good

Night

Moon.

And

just

going,

yeah,

these

are

bangers.

Like

these

so

good.

And

that

type

of

language

was

getting

back

into

my

head.

Like

I

hadn't

picked

up

a

picture

book

in

so

long.

But

then

I

was

finding

the

stories

that

were

in

my

head

were

starting

to

come

out

a

little

bit

more

in

that

short

form.

And

when

I

had

my

first

child,

it

was

the

very

start

of

COVID.

It

was

early

2020.

And

at

the

time,

not

to

bring

up

the

drama

of

that

period,

but

we

were

all

stuck

inside

with

absolutely

no

outlets

or

anything

to

do.

And

I

was

speaking

to

my

husband

one

day

about

just

how

we

were

all

just

taking

in

so

much

and

had

nowhere

to

put

all

this

energy.

And

I

described

it

as

being

like,

we're

sponges

soaking

everything

up,

and

we

have

no

way

to

ring

ourselves

out.

And

when

I

got

that

little

metaphor

out

of

me,

I

went,

geez,

that's

a

really

nice

image.

And

I

went

and

I

wrote

the

big

squeeze

based

on

that.

And

that's

how

I

ended

up

going

down

the

path

of

picture

books

because

that

one

was

the

one

that

got

me

my

agent.

Katy
3:10

And

it

took

you

a

long

time,

though,

didn't

it?

You

got

an

agent

quite

quickly.

I

was

looking

at

your

work.

You

got

an

agent

quite

quickly,

but

then

it

took

what

three,

three

years.

Molly
3:19

Yeah,

I

think

it

was

three

and

a

half

or

so.

Yeah,

I

didn't

have

to

struggle

too

much

in

the

query

trenches

on

that

one.

And

I

know

for

a

lot

of

authors,

that

is

a

really

long

process.

I

was

very

lucky.

And

I

am

still

with

my

agent

Sarah

Rivers.

She's

wonderful.

And

the

book

did

get

picked

up

by

HarperCollins

quite

quickly,

actually.

But

I

had

this

very

quick

start,

and

then

I

discovered,

my

goodness,

it

takes

a

long

time

to

make

picture

books.

Katy
3:50

Yeah.

Molly
3:50

So

I

think

it

was

acquired

in

well,

I'll

get

this

date

wrong,

maybe

2021.

And

it

ended

up

coming

out

in

2024.

Wow.

And

so

just

keeping

that

little

secret.

I

didn't

want

to

until

it

felt

real.

I

didn't

really

share

it

with

a

lot

of

people.

So

I

kept

it

to

myself

for

a

while.

Wanted

something

a

little

more

tangible

to

share

with

my

parents.

This

is

real.

This

is

happening.

Katy
4:11

And

was

Whirby

quicker?

So

you

must

have

been

commissioned

for

Worby

while

you

were

waiting

for

that

to

come

out.

Molly
4:18

I

wrote

Whirby

then,

I

think

that

was

2023.

I

had

given

that

manuscript

to

my

agent

who

we

went

back

to

HarperCollins

with

that

one.

And

yeah,

they

did

pick

that

up

within

the

year,

I

think

it

was

that

we

gave

it

to

them.

Publishing

industry

is

very

slow.

They've

backlog,

they

know

it's

hard

for

can't

imagine

what

inboxes

look

like

in

the

editorial

set

of

things.

But

it

did

get

picked

up.

And

from

I

think

from

when

I

gave

it

to

my

agent

to

when

it

is

coming

out

is

exactly

three

years.

It's

a

very

long

process.

It

is

a

really

long

process.

Ali
5:09

So

do

you

want

to

give

us

a

quick

overview

of

Whirby?

Who

he

is?

Yeah.

Give

us

a

little

a

little

bit

about

him.

Molly
5:15

Yeah.

So

Whirby

is

a

robot.

Is

he

a

him

or

then?

He's

a

him.

He's

a

him.

Yeah.

I

have

two

boys,

so

I

really

wanted.

And

this

is

very

drawn

from

a

real

life

experience

of

my

boys.

Werby

is

a

little

robot

who

loves

going

to

his

robot

school.

My

illustrator

is

Jacob

Suova,

and

he

really

developed

this

beautiful

world

in

which

Whirby

lives

in

with

all

these

other

robots.

And

they

do

go

to

school,

and

he's

a

good

little

student.

And

his

favorite

class

is

called

gadgetering.

In

gadgetering,

you

come

up

with

these

contraptions

to

fight

in

bot

battles.

So

if

you've

seen

those

really

exciting,

like

real-life

battle

bot

kind

of

things,

it's

that

type

of

thing.

And

Whirby

loves

this.

It's

very

exciting,

very

stimulating

for

him.

And

he

goes,

he's

supposed

to

be

going

to

bed

one

night,

but

he's

a

little

too

excited

about

the

prospect

of

being

in

a

bot

battle

the

next

day.

He

stays

up

all

night

and

forgets

to

charge

himself

in

because

he

has

a

robot

and

he

has

a

finite

battery.

And

over

the

course

of

this

night,

while

he

is

just

playing

around

and

getting

really

hyped

up

that

his

battery

level

is

actually

going

down,

down.

And

he

ends

up

going

to

school

the

next

day

and

he's

malfunctioning

because

he's

really

running

on

empty.

And

I

won't

spoil

it,

but

if

you

have

ever,

ever

been

exhausted

in

that

kind

of

way,

you

probably

know

it

doesn't

go

great

for

him

when

he

gets

into

the

ring

to

battle.

Katy
6:44

Yeah.

Staying

up

all

night,

not

good

for

anyone

ever.

You

said

that

it

came

from

your

children.

How

did

that

come

about?

And

where

did

that

story

fall?

Molly
6:55

My

eldest

son

at

the

time,

he

was

two

in

a

bit,

and

he

was

going

through

this

stage

at

bedtime,

as

they

are

wont

to

do.

And

we

but

we

were

really

struggling

with

it.

I

was

pregnant

with

my

next

son.

We

were

trying

to

buy

a

house.

We

were

currently

like

living

with

my

in-laws

at

the

time.

We

had

we

were

just

we

were

very

stressed

out.

We

had

just

moved

back

to

Ireland

as

well.

So

we

were

all

sort

of

out

of

our

routines

and

we're

just

in

this

really

desperate

space.

And

he

is

waking

up

in

the

middle

of

the

night,

grouchy

the

next

day,

refusing

to

go

to

bed.

And

he

was

a

two-year-old,

so

he

was

into

robots.

And

I

just

desperately

said

to

him

one

night,

buddy,

even

robots

got

to

plug

in.

Like

it's

like

a

phone

or

a

tablet.

They

don't

just

go

forever.

You

have

to

charge

them

overnight.

And

he

was

like,

What

if

you

don't?

And

that

was

really

the

jumping

off

point.

What

if

you

don't?

He's

gonna

act

really

slow

and

glitchy,

and

none

of

his

gizmos

are

gonna

work.

And

eventually

he's

just

gonna

power

down.

He's

gonna

be

busted

until

he

charges

up.

And

that's

just

how

it

is.

And

we

started

to

refer

to

that

bedtime

routine

as

it's

time

to

charge

your

batteries.

And

yeah,

that

was

he

is

now

he's

almost

six

and

he

sleeps

great.

But

the

irony

is

at

the

time

I

was

pregnant

with

my

second

son,

and

now

for

exactly

three

years

later,

he's

the

exact

same

age.

We

are

doing

these

this

whole

thing

all

over

again.

Katy
8:19

I

have

a

lot

of

sympathy.

My

eldest

was

quite

a

good

sleeper,

but

my

youngest

was

actually

old

enough

to

understand

the

concept

of

bribery

before

she

slept

through

the

night.

And

yes,

not

my

best

parenting

moment,

but

it

did

finally

work.

Ali
8:35

You

do

what

you're

gonna

do

to

get

your

sleep.

It's

the

adult

as

well.

You'll

get

the

end

of

your

tether

as

well.

You

you

need

to

recharge

and

get

some

absolutely

I'm

pretty

glitchy.

Molly
8:45

Glitchy

parenting

going

on

at

the

end

of

the

day.

Katy
8:48

Yeah,

mine

was

probably

nearly

three

before

she

slept

through

the

night.

Um,

but

it's

about

that

time.

Molly
8:54

That's

what

I

find

so

interesting

about

gosh,

this

book

is

coming

out,

and

it's

actually

now

more

pertinent

about

the

second

one.

Yeah.

And

but

it

is

it's

because

just

in

that

time,

they

this

is

where

they

really

they're

showing

how

uh

independent

they

are.

Katy
9:08

And

what

are

you

doing?

There's

nothing

worse

when

you

have

to

you've

been

through

that

and

then

you

have

to

get

up

in

the

morning

and

go

to

work

and

try

and

be

a

normal

human

being

anyway.

Molly
9:15

No,

the

feeling,

and

that's

what

I

think

Jacob

did

a

great

job

in

the

illustrations

of

really

depicting

what

that

feels

like

the

next

day.

And

Werby

has

these

bright

green

eyes,

but

if

there's

little

details

aside

from

the

battery

going

down,

like

his

green

eyes

are

actually

red

as

he's

about

to

crash

out,

and

it's

like,

yeah,

that's

how

it

feels

pretty.

Ali
9:36

And

even

though

it's

got

those

clear

messages

that

you

need

to

sleep

and

things,

it

doesn't

feel

like

a

lesson

with

the

robot

bolted

on.

Right.

So,

how

conscious

were

you

of

keeping

the

story

first

and

then

the

mess

kind

of

creeping

in?

How

are

you

balancing

that?

Molly
9:51

It's

a

tricky

thing

because

you

don't

want

to

be

too

didactic,

you

don't

want

to

be

too

much

go

to

bed.

I

think

there

are,

and

we

read

all

the

bedtime

stories,

right?

I

think

there's

maybe

two

kind

of

main

types.

One

is

the

kind

of

like

go

to

bed

already.

And

trust

me,

I've

been

there.

And

then

there's

a

lullaby,

the

kind

of

like

soothing

rhyming

off

to

bed

now,

sleepy

head.

Yeah,

and

we

love

them.

Like

I

mentioned

earlier,

they're

great.

I

didn't

want

it

to

necessarily

be

you're

being

told

to

go

to

bed.

I

wanted

it

to

like,

can

you

recognize

what

it

feels

like

when

you

don't?

And

I

think

that's

where

the

robot

and

it's

really

obvious

once

you

read

theory,

it's

his

cranks

are

cranky

and

his

gears

are

gritty,

and

yeah,

you

just

don't

feel

quite

right

and

you

don't

act

quite

right.

And

he's

got

the

siren

that's

just

blasting,

and

that's

when

you

just

start

yelling

and

you

get

upset

very

suddenly,

and

you

can't

control

it.

So

I

wanted

it

to

be

more

can

you

recognize

what

that

feels

like

as

opposed

to

go

to

bed,

sleepy

hat.

I

do

love

those

types

of

stories,

but

I

wanted

this

to

also

be

a

fun

read,

which

it's

a

high

energy

story,

but

hopefully

you

get

the

point.

But

if

you

want

to

have

high

energy,

you

still

have

to

charge

up.

You

can

have

all

this

fun,

you

just

gotta

charge

before

you

do

it,

or

otherwise

there's

consequences

to

that.

You

may

not

be

able

to

play

your

game

the

next

day.

Katy
11:17

Yeah.

And

there's

some

quite

Ali

and

I

were

talking

about

it,

that

there's

some

quite

big

words

in

it.

It's

got

quite

a

lot

of

technical

words

about

robots.

Molly
11:27

Yeah,

I'd

like

to

put

in

some

words

that

are

fun

to

say.

Somebody

was

saying

to

me

the

other

day,

actuator,

and

made

a

big

list

of

buzzy

sounding

mechanical

words.

My

husband

is

a

mechanical

engineer,

so

I

also

was

running

it

past

most.

And

I

did

also

run

it

by

him.

Is

this

could

this

robot

exist?

Or

am

I

inventing,

I'm

just

throwing

words

out

here?

And

he's

for

the

most

part,

yeah.

So

I

think

we

have

to

suspend

our

belief

a

little

bit.

But

yeah,

yeah,

creative

license

aside,

yeah,

just

could

be

feasible.

Katy
11:56

I

like

books

with

big

long

words

in

it

that

small

children

don't

really

need

in

their

vocabulary.

But

which

is

that

book,

Ali?

The

one

where

you've

got

the

three

little

wolves

and

the

big

bad

pig.

Is

it

Helen

Oxenbury?

I

know,

and

there's

one

wonderful

words

in

it,

pneumatic

drill.

And

yeah,

it's

got

really

great

words

in

it,

and

but

they're

not

toddler

necessarily.

They

sound

really

nice.

Molly
12:21

I

think

it's

I'm

I

tend

towards

if

it

sounds

good,

like

a

turbulent

turbo

booster.

I

think

that's

a

fun

phrase

to

say.

And

yeah,

I

wanted

it

to

be

an

more

of

an

action-packed

kind

of

story.

Some

of

them

are

maybe

a

little

bit

of

a

mouthful,

especially

if

you're

just

learning

to

read.

Don't

get

me

wrong,

but

I

think

that

kind

of

adds

to

the

or

hope

it

adds

to

the

experience

of

reading

it.

Ali
12:46

Like

I

think

it

really

does.

And

I

think

kids

do

like

long

words,

they

know

all

know

the

names

of

every

dinosaur

by

a

certain

age.

Yeah,

oh,

yeah.

Yeah,

they

can

manage

those.

So

I

think

it's

great

that

there's

some

big

interesting,

fun-sounding

words.

Molly
13:02

My

dad

was

asking

me,

he

was

like,

it's

great.

I

do

think

it's

great.

Um,

algorithm?

Do

we

want

that

word

out

there

for

kids?

And

I

was

like,

honestly,

the

kids,

they're

all

coding

when

they're

children

now.

So

I

think

I

also

felt

that

they're

far

more

technical

digital

generation

coming

up.

I

this

might

seem

strange

to

us,

but

I

don't

know.

There's

loads

of

kids'

books

about

coding

now

as

well.

How

to

code

a

sandcastle

by

Josh

Funk

is

one.

There,

there

are,

I

don't

know

if

they're

that

far

off

from

like

actually

completely

understanding

what

a

lot

of

these

terms

are.

So

yeah,

I

have

fun

with

it.

Ali
13:38

They're

nice,

and

they're

nice

words

to

say

as

well,

which

are

nice

words.

They're

nice

words

to

read

aloud.

Molly
13:42

Yeah,

like

automonopeia

types

as

well.

But

I

like

to

I

definitely

like

to

use

those.

Katy
13:48

Yeah.

And

in

terms

of

the

illustrations,

Jacob

Souva's

illustrations,

I

really

like

them.

They're

not,

I

think,

what

you

might

expect

in

terms

of

a

robot,

in

that

they're

quite

soft

and

muted

and

textured.

It's

not

a

sort

of

shiny

approach.

How

did

you

feel

when

you

saw

them?

You

must

have

had

something

in

your

mind

when

you

were

writing

it.

Molly
14:09

And

how

did

that

sometimes

I

do

have

something

in

my

mind?

I

think

I

was

in

my

mind

at

the

time.

There

was

a

TV

show,

I

don't

remember

what

it

was

on,

and

might

have

only

been

in

the

States.

It

was

called

Rolly

Polioli.

And

it

was

about

a

robot

world.

And

they

were

all

very

round

and

shiny

and

yellow

head

but

gray

sort

of

connectors

and

stuff.

So

when

I

saw

Werby

for

the

first

time,

that

I

was,

oh

yeah,

he's

got

this

yellow

head

and

these

kind

of

gray

connectors.

Like

that

part

was

right.

But

fortunately,

I

didn't

really

have

a

set

picture

in

my

mind

because

Jacob

uses

a

lot

of

texture.

And

I

think

that's

for

me.

If

when

I

first

saw

the

first

spread,

and

all

my

text

said

was

Werby

is

a

robot

going

to

robot

school

or

something

like

that.

That

was

it.

And

he

took

that

and

made

an

entire

world

out

of

it.

And

I

think

all

those

textures,

tons

of

color.

The

color

palette

is

so

interesting.

You

would

think

these

things

wouldn't

go

together,

but

they

do,

which

is

actually

fun

from

the

robot

making

all

these

different

parts

and

things.

Like

I

think

that

actually

works

really

well.

Yeah,

it

was

definitely

surprising.

I

knew

what

his

aesthetic

was,

Jacob's

got

him

general

aesthetic

was

with

the

texture

and

layers,

and

but

uh

yeah,

I

just

couldn't

get

over

the

level

of

detail.

And

even

though

it's

a

robotic

world,

he's

got

palm

trees

in

the

background

and

they

could

see

the

sun

setting.

Yeah.

And

it's

it

just

feels

like

very

a

very

real

place.

Katy
15:40

Um

the

robots

are

slightly

different,

so

you

can

tell

them

apart

and

you

can

see

how

they

might

battle

differently

and

things.

They

could

potentially

each

have

their

own

strengths.

Molly
15:48

And

Dottie

is

one

of

the

characters

I

really

like.

She

is

the

one

that

Werby

is

up

against

in

when

it's

his

term

to

go

to

a

bot

battle.

And

she's

just

this

little

diminutive

pink

robot,

but

she's

really

bears,

and

she's

got

this

massive

blade,

and

he's

intimidated

by

her

as

he

should

be

because

he's

not

prepared

at

all.

Katy
16:06

It's

quite

a

brutal

world

robot.

Molly
16:09

Yeah,

yeah.

Kids

have

asked

me

why

don't

we

get

to

see

the

battles?

And

I'm

like,

oh,

yeah.

That's

true.

We

leave

that

part

off

the

page

because

parts

would

go

flying.

Katy
16:17

But

yeah.

I

was

gonna

say

the

ones

that

you

do

see

on

TV

are

quite

brutal,

so

you

have

to

leave

that

bit

to

your

imagination.

Exactly.

You

can

imagine

that.

And

uh

I'm

right

in

thinking

that

he

brought

the

dog

in.

Molly
16:29

That's

right.

Whirby

has

a

little

dog.

I

did

not

imagine

that.

This

is

again

why

it's

great

as

the

author

to

just

see

what

the

illustrator

might

bring

to

it.

Love

the

dog.

The

dog

even

plugs

in

at

night,

which

was

so

funny

to

me.

If

you

look

throughout

the

illustrations,

the

plant

has

a

little

plug

that

that

charges

up.

There's

loads

of

little

details

like

that.

And

Jacob

and

I

feel

the

dog

needs

its

own

name,

so

we're

gone

with

Sparky.

Oh,

okay.

Thought

that

was

a

nice

technical,

mechanical

name

for

him.

Yeah,

I'm

sure

you'll

get

asked

that

at

school.

I

know.

I

was

like,

I

need

to

have

an

answer

for

that.

Ali
17:03

So

your

first

book

was

about

a

sponge

overdoing

it

and

burning

out,

and

now

you've

got

a

robot

learning

the

importance

of

sleep.

So

what

the

non-human

character

using

that

to

explore

a

human

experience.

Um,

why

do

you

think

that

is

useful

for

the

child

reading

it?

Molly
17:20

Yeah,

I

think

it's

because

it

makes

it

universal.

I

think

that's

why

it's

useful.

I

don't

really

know

why

I

always

tend

to

tend

to

like

it's

not,

I

don't

go

and

go

look

around

the

house

and

say,

what

could

I

use?

Although

I

think

when

I

am

trying

to

explain

something

to

my

own

children,

I

try

to

find

something

that

is

tangible

and

right

in

front

of

them

that

they

can

relate

to.

Because

I

guess

the

sponge

thing,

I've

said

that

for

years

before

I

wrote

the

book.

It

was

like,

I

feel

like

a

sponge

right

now.

I

take

everything

in

without

any

thinking

about

things,

like

how

will

I

turn

this

into

a

story?

That

was

just

some

that's

how

my

brain

thinks

about

dings.

So

I

do

tend

to

write

that.

But

I

think

the

reason

I

think

it's

been

working

for

the

picture

books

is

because

it's

universal.

There's

no

anybody

can

actually

relate

to

this.

Anybody

can

see

themselves

in

that

when

they're

depicted

just

very

vulnerable.

I

think

I

write

very

like

characters

on

the

brink

of

meltdown

or

a

breakdown,

or

and

I

think

kids

relate

to

that

very

much

because

they're

always

just

about

to

turn

and

have

that

tantrum

or

something,

or

certainly

my

kids

are.

But

yeah,

I

think

anybody

can

see

themselves

in

those

objects.

I've

been

fortunate

the

the

illustrators

really

give

them

these

very

emotive

eyes

and

making

them

extra

adorable.

And

the

next

I

do

have

a

book

coming

out

end

of

this

year

with

a

rocket

ship

as

the

main

character,

and

that's

called

I

Need

Space.

And

it's

similarly

like

it

needs

to

cool

as

jets.

And

I

try

to

use

terminology

around

rocket

ships

and

blasting

off

and

being

really

fiery

and

then

cooling

down.

They

work,

those

kinds

of

metaphors.

Katy
19:01

Definitely

they

become

human,

they

feel

human,

human-like.

And

presumably

you've

been

in

schools

with

them.

What

kind

of

responses

do

you

get

from

children?

And

what

kind

of

conversations

are

you

hoping

that

it

opens

up?

Molly
19:14

So

because

Worby's

just

come

out,

I

haven't

had

too

much

time

yet

in

front

of

kids,

but

I've

done

a

few

story

times

with

it

when

I

was

over

in

the

States

so

far.

And

yeah,

I

think

it's

very

they

get

the

message

very

quickly,

but

are

excited

about

it.

So

we

were

doing

a

craft

where

we

made

Worby's

got

a

lightning

bolt

charger

on

him.

We

made

these

bracelets

with

a

little

lightning

bolt

charm,

and

that's

you're

charging

up

bracelets

to

remind

you

when

you

go

to

bed,

or

it's

time

to

charge

up.

I

think

that

term

charge

up,

it

sounds

exciting

when

it's

really

go

to

bed.

So

I

think

they

understand

it,

but

it

seems

like

they're

really

getting

the

message

with

that

feeling.

Okay.

It's

a

different

spin

on

what

they

have

to

do

every

night.

So

I

think

they've

been

responding

well

to

that.

The

big

squeeze,

it

depends

on

the

ages.

The

younger

kids,

the

big

squeeze

has

a

sponge

soaking

up

everything

in

a

dirty

kitchen,

and

she

ends

up

being

really

filthy,

dirty,

soggy,

bit

of

a

mess,

and

needs

to

learn

to

take

time

for

herself,

squeeze

yourself

out

before

she

can

help

others.

That's

the

kind

of

message

of

that

one.

Kids

love

the

dirty

kitchen.

They

really

like

reacting

to

all

the

messy

stuff.

And

I

think

the

bigger

picture

of

it,

that

taking

time

to

rest,

I

get

the

parents'

teachers,

the

grown-ups

come

up

and

go,

Wow,

I

never

thought

I'd

relate

to

a

sponge

before.

But

I

think

when

I

wrote

that

one,

I

thought

that

that

message

might

be

for

quite

young

kids.

Maybe

they

wouldn't

necessarily

get

it,

but

they

might

see

it

in

others.

And

so

it's

also

about

recognizing

in

others

when

is

your

parent

like

at

the

end

of

their

capacity

and

don't

mind

if

you've

got

to

go

lie

down

for

a

bit

or

if

dad

needs

a

day

off

or

whatever.

Katy
20:57

I

thought

that

about

Whirby,

that

it

might

actually

open

up

conversations

about

adults

needing

sleep

too,

as

much

as

it

was

about

children.

Molly
21:04

Exactly.

I

think

the

conversation

is

something

I

was

always

thinking

about

with

the

big

spees,

but

I

think

it

works

with

Worby.

Just

to

have

the

language

to

say,

I'm

sorry,

I

don't

have

it

in

me

tonight

to

talk

for

half

an

hour.

I'm

tired.

Like

I

need

to

go

charge

my

batteries,

or

I

need

to

just

go

take

time

for

myself

for

a

bit

so

that

I

can

be

more

fun

with

you

tomorrow.

And

I

think

it

must

be

because

I

didn't

get

a

good

night's

sleep

last

night.

Then

it's

it's

not

your

fault.

It's

me,

I

need

to

go

charge.

So

yeah,

I

hope

that

will

open

up

nice

conversations.

Ali
21:34

Yeah,

because

quite

often

kids

want

to

have

those

conversations

before

bed.

Yeah.

Sometimes

partly

is

a

delaying

technique,

but

also

because

sometimes

actually

it's

time

to

process

what

they've

been

going

through

the

day.

And

it's

there's

a

kind

of

balance,

isn't

there,

between

it

is

time

to

go

to

bed

yet.

But

we

do

have

time

to

talk

about

if

there's

something

worrying

you.

Molly
21:53

That's

very

true.

Going

through

that

right

now

with

my

five,

almost

six

year

old,

and

end

of

the

day,

and

he's

like,

what

should

we

talk

about?

Like,

oh,

yeah,

I

guess

it's

because

that

is,

it's

like

when

you're

growing

up

and

you

put

your

head

on

the

pill

and

you're

all

ready

to

go

to

bed,

and

then

you're

like,

all

the

things

I

have

to

do

tomorrow.

And

what

it

oh,

what

was

that

weird

conversation

I

had

earlier?

Just

was

that

weird,

you

know,

make

the

to-do

list,

what's

happening

in

the

world?

Like

it

all

just

comes

to

you

at

the

end

of

the

day.

And

I

think

it

is

what's

happening

with

kids

at

the

end

of

the

day

too.

And

all

right,

let's

decompress

a

little

now.

Ali
22:24

We've

talked

a

little

bit

about

I

need

space.

Um

do

you

think

there's

now

a

thread

linking

all

the

three

books,

even

if

you

didn't

plan

it

that

way?

Molly
22:33

It

wasn't

planned

that

way,

but

absolutely

it's

all

very

much

about

taking

a

minute

for

yourself.

A

lot

of

mine

are

coming

from

their

ideas

that

are

coming

out

of

real

conversations

that

I'm

having

with

my

kid,

with

my

husband,

and

it's

usually

out

of

these.

How

do

you

communicate

this

feeling

that

I'm

having

and

what

do

you

do

about

it?

And

a

lot

of

times

we

say

it

in

our

house,

just

go

take

a

minute.

Just

tell

that

kid,

I

need

space

for

a

few

minutes

if

they're

playing

too

rough,

or

say

to

your

brother,

I

don't

want

to

do

that

right

now.

I

need

space,

I'm

mad.

And

let

them

know

that's

it.

You

can

diffuse

the

situation

pretty

quickly

if

you

can

do

that.

So

that's

I

need

space

that

came

out

of

how

to

deal

with

other

kids.

And

how

do

you

let

them

know

without

it

being

just

blowing

up

at

them?

And

so

yeah,

it's

that

in

that

one,

there's

a

rocket

ship

that

does

need

to

go

and

chill

out

basically

for

a

few

minutes

and

before

they're

ready

to

come

back

and

play.

And

that

that

is

Worby

doesn't

have

to

necessarily

take

time,

but

he

has

to

look

after

his

body.

And

with

the

big

squeeze,

it's

don't

don't

work

so

hard

before

it's

too

late

and

you

can't

don't

burn

out,

don't

break

down

basically.

But

yeah,

there's

definitely

a

common

thread

there.

Obviously,

that's

what's

in

my

head

all

the

time.

I

think

everybody's

you

need

time,

huh?

Katy
23:48

You

need

time.

Definitely

know

that

feeling.

So

you've

already

done

the

launch

of

the

book

in

America,

and

you're

about

to

do

Ireland,

and

you're

gonna

be

in

the

UK

as

well.

Am

I

am

I

right?

I'm

not

gonna

be

in

the

UK,

but

I

am

gonna

I'm

in

Ireland.

I

don't

have

any

events

in

the

UK,

no.

So

you're

doing

the

launch

in

Ireland.

Uh

you're

available

though.

Are

you

available

for

school

visits

in

the

UK

in

theory?

Yeah,

absolutely.

Yeah.

And

so

I

just

want

to

ask,

what

do

you

feel

is

like

different

in

terms

of

the

children's

book

market

and

how

it

works

in

the

US

to

Ireland?

Molly
24:18

One

thing

I

was

just

realizing

when

I

go

over

to

the

US

and

I

do,

when

I

say

I

do

events,

oftentimes

what

I'm

doing

is

jumping

in

on

an

existing,

like

a

standing

story

time

that

bookstores

have.

Bookstores

in

America

often

have

at

11

o'clock

in

the

morning

on

a

Saturday.

It's

story

time.

And

it

will

be

the

booksellers

doing

readings

of

some

of

the

books

that

are

coming

out.

And

this

is

something

that

parents

can

bring

their

kids

to

and

get

a

copy.

And

it's

really

common.

And

so

I

was

able

to

set

that

up

quite

simply

and

just

say,

Well,

I

step

in

on

this

Saturday

and

do

my

book.

And

that

they're

always

quite

happy

to

have

a

visiting

author

come

in

and

there's

an

existing

audience

that's

they're

gonna

be

there.

Yeah.

Because

this

is

weekly,

we

do

this.

So

I'm

finding

that's

not

the

case

in

Ireland.

I

am

doing

an

event

here

at

a

local

bookstore,

but

it

seems

the

story

times

tend

to

be

more

in

libraries

or

I

would

need

to

go

to

schools

and

stuff.

So

that's

something

that

I'm

navigating

right

now.

What

about

in

the

UK?

Haven't

actually

noticed.

Is

it

common

to

have

a

story

time

in

a

bookstore?

Ali
25:22

Quite

a

lot

of

them

do.

Yeah.

But

it

is

more

libraries,

I'd

say.

Katy
25:26

Yeah.

Yeah,

there's

lots

of

story

times

in

libraries.

So

they'll

have

whatever

it

is,

bounce

and

rhyme.

I've

got

that

the

wrong

way

around,

isn't

it?

Todd

toddler

bounce

or

something

where

they

do

use

nursery

rhymes

and

short

stories,

they

tend

to

be

for

the

littler

ones

during

the

week

while

the

older

ones

are

at

school.

Rhyme

time.

Rhyme

time,

that's

yeah.

And

I

don't

know,

I

know

my

local

bookshop

has

a

children's

book

club

on

a

Saturday

morning

or

Saturday

afternoon.

I

can't

remember.

But

yeah,

I

I

think

it's

perhaps

not

as

routine.

But

most

of

the

independent

bookshops

have

a

whole

series

of

events

because

it's

the

only

way

they

can

actually

keep

going.

It's

part

of

their

getting

people

in

and

having

an

events

program

is

crucial

in

terms

of

their

viability.

Right.

Ali
26:11

And

also

you're

part

of

the

Laureate's

Live

Mentoring

Program.

What

does

that

involve?

Molly
26:16

Yeah.

So

the

Laureate

Nano

is

the

children's

laureate

here

in

Ireland.

Patricia

Ford

has

been

the

laureate

here.

I

think

she

had

a

maybe

a

three

or

four-year

student.

Hers

is

just

coming

to

an

end.

She

uh

was

a

wonderful

mentor.

So

she's

highly

published,

got

at

least

a

dozen

books,

I'd

say,

in

middle

grade

and

picture

books

as

well.

And

so

this

program

came

at

a

time

for

me

where

I

really

needed

it

because

as

I

was

kind

of

mentioning,

I

wasn't

really

sure

where

to

go

do

events.

I

wasn't

hearing

from

schools.

Do

I

ask

schools?

Should

I

come

in?

How

do

I

get

in

that

people

know

that

I'm

here,

that

I

can

do

this?

How

do

I

get

the

word

out

and

engage

with

the

kids?

And

I

was

having

a

little

bit

of

a

crisis

about

this

after

big

squeokies.

And

suddenly,

just

serendipitously,

the

laureate

had

launched,

yeah,

it's

called

the

Live

Literature

Mentoring

Program

about

doing

school

visits,

how

to

present

your

text

to

kids,

develop

programs

for

festivals,

for

just

being

able

to

get

up

and

speak

about

it.

And

so

there

were

four

of

us

selected.

I,

in

typical

form,

talks

about

very

vulnerably

about

how

it's

like

uh

this

has

been

a

struggle

for

me.

And

she

said

that

she

could

tell

that

I

was

genuinely

very

interested

in

developing

this

skill.

Writers,

we

sit

in

our

rooms

alone,

yeah,

most

of

the

time.

That's

we're

not

necessarily

the

get

out

there

and

go

and

talk

about

ourselves.

Oh

my

gosh.

It's

kind

of

hard.

It's

scary.

It

is,

yeah.

And

this

kind

of

conversation

is

very

nice.

But

to

get

up

in

front

of

people

and

go,

I'm

here

and

this

is

I

must

be

it

just

it's

it's

a

Nicky

kind

of

feeling

until

you

get

practice

at

it.

And

the

first

time

I

went

and

did

just

a

reading

of

my

book,

I

was

really

shaky,

trembly.

I

had

like

nearly

a

panic

attack

beforehand.

And

I

was

like,

I

can't,

that

can't

happen.

I'll

never

be

able

to

do

this.

Because

with

kids,

you

really

need

to

be

interfacing

with

them.

And

I

need

to

get

out

there.

I

can't

just

write

it

and

put

it

out

there,

and

that's

it.

So

anyway,

the

program

was

very

much

about

getting

practice

at

it.

And

there's

this

one

of

the

best

parts

of

it

was

the

program

placed

us

into

a

school

here

in

Ireland,

and

Patricia

Ford

came

with

us

and

with

each

of

us

individually

and

watched

us

from

the

back

of

the

class.

And

then

we

went

to

lunch

after,

and

she

gave

loads

of

feedback

about

I

think

this

worked,

I

think

this

didn't.

And

just

that

was

a

really

special

touch.

And

we

had

just

such

a

great

chat

after

I

think

it

gave

me

confidence

that

now

I

can

get

up

and

read

my

story.

And

I

I'm

still

learning,

absolutely

still

learning,

but

oh

what

a

terrific

opportunity

that

was.

Ali
29:03

Yeah,

and

there's

a

thing

that's

happening

in

the

UK

now

with

GLL

are

doing

that

as

well,

aren't

they?

They're

mentioning

authors.

Katy
29:11

Literary

foundation.

Yeah.

They

run

quite

a

lot

of

public

libraries

in

the

UK,

and

they

have

a

similar

thing,

which

is

supporting

authors,

and

they

do

things

like

practicing

doing

presentations

with

children

and

things

like

that.

Molly
29:23

It's

great

because

being

able

to

manage

like

kids

talking

over

you.

What

do

you

do

when

sometimes

a

kid

stands

up

and

wants

to

be

the

center

of

attention

and

it's

got

a

story?

Like

even

just

little

tips

on

like

how

to

you're

gonna

lose

the

attention

of

everybody

else

if

this

one

stands

up

and

starts

talking.

And

like

it

does

happen

every

time.

Somebody

wants

to

take

over

and

doesn't

understand.

And

she

just

had

these

little

tips

of

this

little

hand

gesture

I'll

do

to

kind

of

move

along,

keep

it

flowing,

have

these

stories

in

your

back

pocket.

What

to

do

if

the

teacher

leaves

the

classroom?

That's

yeah,

that's

instant

panic.

Well,

they

go

wild.

Like

if

I

just

put

myself

out

there,

especially

as

I

grew

up

in

America,

and

I

think

going

into

maybe

American

elementary

schools,

I'd

be

familiar.

It

would

feel

like

hallways

I

knew.

Yeah.

But

because

I'm

here

in

Ireland,

my

own

kids

are

just

getting

started

in

primary

school.

So

I

just

don't

even

have

I

didn't

have

the

experience

of

even

setting

a

foot

in

one

yet.

So

for

to

have

her

there

with

me

for

the

first

time

was

what

a

gift.

Katy
30:27

That

sounds

great.

No,

we

hear

quite

a

lot

of

that

Ireland

is

getting

a

lot

of

things

right

in

supporting

both

children's

authors

and

children

as

readers

as

well.

Molly
30:37

Children's

Books

Ireland

is

a

fantastic

organization.

So

I'm

working

with

that,

they

were

the

funders

of

that

program.

And

I'm

also

they're

I'm

doing

school

visits

with

them

right

now,

but

champions

of

reading

is

what

it's

called,

and

visiting

schools

that

are

being

gifted

250

brand

new

books

for

their

school

library.

And

then

you

get

assigned

a

champion

who

comes

in.

So

I

come

in

for

six

visits

and

meet

with

all

different

ages

and

just

getting

them

excited

about

reading.

It's

not

about

my

own

books,

it's

just

about

what

kind

of

books

do

you

like.

Ali
31:10

And

there's

something

about

you

going

in

multiple

times

as

well.

I

think

they

they

like

uh

other

adults

coming

in,

but

they

also

will

feel

more

comfortable

because

they'll

get

to

know

you.

So

there's

that

kind

of

two-way

conversation.

Molly
31:22

Depending

on

the

age,

I

think

sometimes

it

you

can

just

feel

like

you're

the

morning's

entertainment

sometimes

going

in.

And

with

this,

I

feel

a

bit

more

like

they're

excited

to

see

me

just

find

out

what

we're

going

to

do.

And

some

of

them

are

so

sweet,

they

give

me

little

presents

and

stuff.

Like

they're

very

sweet.

Um,

like

little

notes,

and

I

made

you

this

bookmark

and

things.

It

does

feel

I

have

more

time

to

actually

get

to

know

them.

And

hey,

you

said

you

liked

this

horror

book,

right?

Have

you

heard

of

this

one?

I

can

actually

make

real

recommendations

to

them.

So

yeah,

they're

awesome.

Katy
31:53

That's

nice.

I

think

we

should

try

and

find

out

more

about

Children's

Book

Island

and

what

they're

doing.

Molly
31:57

Oh,

fantastic.

Fantastic

organization.

Katy
32:00

So

it's

it's

been

really

great.

Ali,

do

you

want

to

ask

a

final

question?

Ali
32:04

What

is

our

final

question?

Is

there

a

picture

book

that

you've

come

across

recently

that

you

think

deserves

more

attention?

Molly
32:11

Oh,

great

question.

I'm

looking

at

a

little

stack

that

I

have

here.

Okay,

here's

one.

I'm

not

sure

you

would

have

seen

this,

but

I

love

this.

And

we

read

it

all

the

time

in

my

house.

I

think

it's

just

a

perfect

book.

Hold

up

for

you.

It's

called

Benita

and

the

Night

Creatures.

Uh-huh.

Is

that

Mariana

Llanos?

Uh-huh.

So

this

is

a

story

about

a

girl

called

Benita

who's

just

trying

to

read

a

book.

All

she

wants

to

do

is

read

her

book

in

bed.

And

the

author

is

Peruvian.

And

so

these

Peruvian

monsters,

there's

three,

three

or

four

Peruvian

monsters

that

kind

of

surround

her

there

on

the

cover.

They

keep

coming

to

try

to

scare

her,

but

she

cannot,

she

is

reading.

She

can't

don't

bother

her.

She's

reading.

And

they're

like,

What

is

up

with

this

little

girl?

Why

can't

we

scare

her?

And

they

keep

trying.

And

eventually

they're

like,

What

is

it

that

you're

doing?

And

she

shows

them

how

beautiful

her

book

is.

And

it's

a

very

just

a

really

that

this

it's

illustrated

by

Coco

retto.

And

the

illustrations,

it's

just,

it's

nice.

It's

a

spooky

story,

but

we

read

it

all

year

round.

It's

not

a

Halloween

story

per

se.

It's

it's

for

if

like

my

kids

love

kind

of

anything

spooky,

creepy,

or

whatever,

and

it

really

turns

it

on

its

head.

I

think

that's

a

when

I

read

it,

I

was

like,

this

is

perfect.

Katy
33:30

Okay,

yeah,

that's

a

great

recommendation.

Thank

you.

See,

this

is

worth

asking

for

recommendations.

That's

definitely

that's

one

I

haven't

seen.

So

I

have

to

check

out.

Hopefully,

we

can

get

it

here

in

the

UK.

And

it's

been

really

lovely

talking

to

you

and

finding

out

about

Werby.

Thank

you

so

much.

It's

been

lovely

to

talk

to

you.

Thank

you.

So

that

was

interesting.

Do

look

out

for

Wirby

in

a

bookshop

near

you.

Ali
33:54

Yeah,

and

Ireland

came

up

again

as

somewhere

that's

doing

good

things

to

support

authors

and

reading

for

pleasure.

Katy
34:00

Yeah,

I

think

that

must

be

the

third

or

fourth

person

to

mention

Ireland.

Because

Louie

was

talking

about

Louis

Stour

was

talking

about

it,

wasn't

she?

And

somebody

else

has

mentioned

it

as

well.

So

I

I

think

we

probably

should

do

a

bit

more

of

a

a

delve

into

what's

going

on

in

Ireland

and

what

they're

getting

right.

So

we

can

that

can

be

added

to

our

to-do

list,

because

I

know

you're

you're

feeling

swamped

by

our

to-do

list

which

never

gets

done.

We'll

chip

away

then.

Yeah.

Ali
34:26

Before

we

go,

we've

got

a

couple

of

other

picture

books

that

caught

our

eye.

So

first

up

is

Darren

Chetty's

I'm

going

to

make

a

friend,

which

is

now

out

in

paperback.

Explores

the

challenges

of

moving

somewhere

new

and

making

friends.

The

main

character

worries

about

how

long

it

will

take

and

whether

anyone

will

notice

him.

All

familiar

fears

for

any

child

going

somewhere

new.

He

decides

to

put

his

making

skills

to

work

and

literally

makes

a

friend

in

the

form

of

a

robot,

all

the

while

puzzling

about

what

qualities

it

should

have.

Katy
34:54

And

it's

got

lovely

illustrations

by

Sandhya

Prabhat,

which

have

lots

of

details

to

spot.

There

are

dinosaurs

and

dragons

and,

of

course,

most

importantly,

a

cat

that

features

on

every

page.

So

look

out

for

that.

Second

up,

we

have

a

new

book

by

Jeanne

Willis

and

illustrated

by

Paddy

Donnelly,

which

is

called

Naughty.

And

it's

bursting

with

colour.

Again,

there

are

lots

of

things

to

spot

in

the

illustrations.

And

it's

one

of

those

books

that

I

think

it

would

take

a

long

time

to

read

with

an

attentive

listener.

Which

is

fabulous.

Ali
35:32

And

it

opens

with

a

boy

sitting

on

the

bottom

step

of

a

flight

of

stairs

looking

miserable.

He's

got

muddy

boots

on,

and

the

muddy

footprints

are

on

the

floor.

Suggests

that

he's

either

already

in

trouble

and

on

the

naughty

step

or

is

expecting

to

be.

Katy
35:47

Yeah,

it

doesn't

sort

of

explicitly

say

he's

on

the

naughty

step,

but

it

definitely

looks

like

it

might

be

that

way.

And

the

text

focuses

on

the

cat

who

is

on

the

naughty

mat

for

chasing

a

bird,

and

the

bird

in

turn

is

on

the

naughty

perch

because

he

said

a

naughty

word.

And

it

kind

of

goes

through

as

a

very

slight

rabbit

and

a

bull

and

a

I

don't

know,

all

sorts

of

assorted

animals,

until

there

is

absolute

chaos

in

the

hallway,

which

actually

feels

a

bit

like

my

hallway,

but

you

know,

people

wandering

into

the

house.

But

absolute

chaos.

Ali
36:22

Uh

and

then

finally

daddy's

quite

naughty

too,

and

shows

that's

right,

yeah.

It

isn't

always

that

easy,

and

that

maybe

leaving

muddy

footprints

isn't

the

worst

thing

you

can

do.

Katy
36:34

No,

it

kind

of

makes

the

muddy

footprints

sort

of

fade

into

the

background

there.

Anyway,

it

is

really

good

fun.

And

should

probably

also

say

that

Jean

is

one

of

our,

I

think

our

my

definitely

favourite

author

of

one

of

my

favourite

books,

which

is

Tadpole's

Promise,

which

if

you

haven't

read

it,

you

absolutely

must.

It's

it's

not

for

the

faint-hearted,

is

it,

Ali?

Ali
36:56

It's

not,

it's

traumatic,

frankly.

It's

traumatic.

Katy
37:00

It

turns

on

its

head

everything

you

and

possibly

and

whoever

you're

reading

it

to

thinks

that

they

know

about

picture

books

that

start

talking

about

tadpoles

and

caterpillars

and

what

happens

to

tadpoles

and

caterpillars.

Ali
37:15

Yeah.

Um

should

definitely

come

with

a

warning

message.

Katy
37:19

Yeah.

Well,

don't

say

we

didn't

warn

you.

Yeah.

But

do

but

find

it

and

read

it.

Yeah.

Anyway,

enjoy

it.

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